Monks... Are they truly overpowered? - Guild Wars Forums

Canadian · May 26, 2005, 02:20 AM // 02:20

I was wondering if people thought monks would get nurfed in some way. Possibly reducing divine favor to 2 heal per level, instead of 3. I have no idea.

I was wondering if people thought they are overpowered as it is? Are they? Or are they just important to a team, and at least one is generally required?

I have a monk, and it is very powerful, but maybe this is the way the creators meant it to be? Monks being depended upon? Idk.

Any pro/guru/whatever have a take on the monk class?

Ginko · May 26, 2005, 02:22 AM // 02:22

I think Monks are well balanced however it couldn't hurt to make them a wee bit easier to kill.

--Ginko

tidal · May 26, 2005, 02:29 AM // 02:29

i think the monk is not overpowered in any way. Most of the enchantments only work on other team members who must perform an action (live vicariously for instanve). I've died many a time as a monk but one of the advantages is that parties always want you

funbun · May 26, 2005, 02:30 AM // 02:30

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Originally Posted by Canadian

I was wondering if people thought they are overpowered as it is?

Just wait untill you fight you mirror in the Ascension quests...

pHobac · May 26, 2005, 02:32 AM // 02:32

Early in the game, enemies are weak enough that a monk can keep their entire party at full health all the time, but by the last couple of missions, 2 primary healing monks in a party of 8 can have one hell of a time keeping your party alive. So I dont really think they need to be nerfed at all.

Gbuslayer · May 26, 2005, 06:58 AM // 06:58

yea overpowered in the beginning, but the bonuses to thier healing skills from thier allocated points are low so over time thier healing spells don't level up as much with them

Downfall · May 26, 2005, 08:00 AM // 08:00

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Originally Posted by funbun

Just wait untill you fight you mirror in the Ascension quests...

Thats funny i found mirror verry easy it takes 10 secs to kill him.
You just have to learn how to use you skills.

Leventh · May 26, 2005, 10:59 AM // 10:59

if anything monks are underpowered. they have hardly any good self heals, and cant do jack 1v1.

Friar Tuck · May 26, 2005, 11:08 AM // 11:08

The most balanced online RPG I've ever played and someone's crying about an overpowered class? Please. Have you played other games? Go try out DAoC, create a fire wizard and try to take down a Vampiir one on one.

Please don't cry about nerf with this game. It's very well done. I don't see how ANYONE can cry like this.

Tormunda · May 26, 2005, 11:35 AM // 11:35

Q: Are they truely overpowered?

A: Who on earth said they were in the first place?

Raiddinn Beatdropper · May 26, 2005, 04:58 PM // 16:58

I would say they are probably overpowered they are quite a nessecary class to have lots of Main classes of, and they also have the secondary market cornered at something like 50+ % of all chars in GW....

Also, if I am not mistaken the number of times *Mo* appears in most high level 8 on 8 PVP groups is something on the order of 6 chars on average, with 4-5 of those being mains, and the groups that have the most instances of *Mo* primary for some reason do seem to win more often in PVP with all combinations excluding War/Monk.

Just based on these facts one would assume there is some level of imbalance somewhere, but then again what do the playerbase as a whole really know?

I started as Wiz/Mez but after ascending I wanted a more powerful and useful char in both PVE and PVP so I switched to 2nd monk...

Tsunamii Starshine

Funkinmofo · May 26, 2005, 05:18 PM // 17:18

no, no they are not. There are a lot of things in place to keep them balanced compared to other professions.
*Whats the highest defense on the best armor...
*Most of the best/beneficial skills cannot be used on self
*Mobs key on healers
*Expensive materials required to craft armor

Lewick · May 26, 2005, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Raiddinn Beatdropper

I would say they are probably overpowered they are quite a nessecary class to have lots of Main classes of, and they also have the secondary market cornered at something like 50+ % of all chars in GW....

Also, if I am not mistaken the number of times *Mo* appears in most high level 8 on 8 PVP groups is something on the order of 6 chars on average, with 4-5 of those being mains, and the groups that have the most instances of *Mo* primary for some reason do seem to win more often in PVP with all combinations excluding War/Monk.

Just based on these facts one would assume there is some level of imbalance somewhere, but then again what do the playerbase as a whole really know?

I started as Wiz/Mez but after ascending I wanted a more powerful and useful char in both PVE and PVP so I switched to 2nd monk...

Tsunamii Starshine

Just for reference sake, having lots of people with a secondary monk skill in their build does not say the monk class as a whole is overpowered. Healing is a REQUIREMENT for survival. Secondary monks do not have Divine Favor, so those secondary monks are not all "healers." While they can provide some healing, many opt for smiting or other self-preservation spells over pure healing.

The majority of the single target monk damage spells are low. Some cause knockdown, but most take a while to cast and can easily be interrupted by an observant mesmer or ranger. Primary monks can keep team members alive for a long while, provided they aren't getting hit. Once they're getting hit, all bets are off. In fact, a good mesmer can shut down a monk's ENTIRE healing prayers line for a good chunk of time. This is debilitating for a monk and can be catastrophic. If an opposing smiter hits a monk with scourge healing, and a mesmer hits them with backfire, they'll be scrambling for health pretty quickly.

This is the whole beauty of the game. For every skill in the game, there's a counter. For every counter, there's a counter for that. It's recursive, so every strategy has a counter strategy.

I don't think they're overpowered at all. I think they, like the rest of the game, are very balanced.

CtrlAltDel · May 26, 2005, 08:12 PM // 20:12

not after they fixed the bath. stacking issue today...

Aug · May 26, 2005, 08:21 PM // 20:21

Yeah, Balth's Aura was really what made everyone want to be a Monk secondary, I think. Now that it's finally fixed, I suspect most people will be switching their secondaries in non-random PvP. I'm sure there will still be lots of */Mos in random PvP, cuz you never can be assured the presence of a primary Monk.

As for Monk primaries... they need to be pretty survivable because they're the first target. If they couldn't last long, no one would play them, because a) they'd never live long enough to do anything, and b) they'd not be very fun, as dying in the first 5-15 seconds of an engagement is pretty demoralizing.

Fye Duron · May 26, 2005, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Personally I think that all of the classes are very well balanced. Monks are just in short supply right now... It will balance out in time

Norman · May 26, 2005, 08:50 PM // 20:50

ya, im geting the feeling that when the poster says over powered, hes not really saying the class itself is too strong, but because of the fact their needed so badly one could say in a sence they are over powered. IMO, a monk is under powered in terms of how they compare to the rest of the classes. but theres a reason for that, their healers, so at any rate, their not underpowered because their in a class all their own. people just need to realize that this game is about working as a team, so they made monks a must have in pve/pvp and theres nothing wrong with that. if anything, i like it, i havnt seen a game so well balanced before.

RHR · May 26, 2005, 09:02 PM // 21:02

I am a Monk primary, Warrior secondary, and I can tell you from post searing experience, Monks are a long way from overpowered. I have had my noogies handed to me, too many times, to even consider the word "overpowered."

I have very little personal strength or protection as all of my spells are geared toward the support of the tanks and the casters. Even the Mobs can interrupt or shut down my protection and smiting skills.

I am always in need of the Tanks in the party to watch out for me, because I sure get killed easier than any of the other classes. Probably because whether it is PVE or PVP, it is "Kill the healer time!"

Willow · May 26, 2005, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Remember- if you feel you're relying on monks in your party too much, why aren't you using your own professions self heals? They all have them.

Vermilion Okeanos · May 26, 2005, 09:45 PM // 21:45

Monk is far from overpower... but I really hate how they are overly important, made getting a group a hell's work many times.

May 26, 2005, 02:20 AM // 02:20	#1
Canadian Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Forsaken Elite	Monks... Are they truly overpowered? I was wondering if people thought monks would get nurfed in some way. Possibly reducing divine favor to 2 heal per level, instead of 3. I have no idea. I was wondering if people thought they are overpowered as it is? Are they? Or are they just important to a team, and at least one is generally required? I have a monk, and it is very powerful, but maybe this is the way the creators meant it to be? Monks being depended upon? Idk. Any pro/guru/whatever have a take on the monk class? Last edited by Canadian; May 28, 2005 at 11:39 PM // 23:39.. Reason: Contradicting myself in my post... stupid me.

May 26, 2005, 04:58 PM // 16:58	#11
Raiddinn Beatdropper Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005	~ I would say they are probably overpowered they are quite a nessecary class to have lots of Main classes of, and they also have the secondary market cornered at something like 50+ % of all chars in GW.... Also, if I am not mistaken the number of times Mo appears in most high level 8 on 8 PVP groups is something on the order of 6 chars on average, with 4-5 of those being mains, and the groups that have the most instances of Mo primary for some reason do seem to win more often in PVP with all combinations excluding War/Monk. Just based on these facts one would assume there is some level of imbalance somewhere, but then again what do the playerbase as a whole really know? I started as Wiz/Mez but after ascending I wanted a more powerful and useful char in both PVE and PVP so I switched to 2nd monk... Tsunamii Starshine

May 26, 2005, 09:02 PM // 21:02	#18
RHR Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bremerton, WA Guild: FMS Profession: W/N	Overpowered??? I am a Monk primary, Warrior secondary, and I can tell you from post searing experience, Monks are a long way from overpowered. I have had my noogies handed to me, too many times, to even consider the word "overpowered." I have very little personal strength or protection as all of my spells are geared toward the support of the tanks and the casters. Even the Mobs can interrupt or shut down my protection and smiting skills. I am always in need of the Tanks in the party to watch out for me, because I sure get killed easier than any of the other classes. Probably because whether it is PVE or PVP, it is "Kill the healer time!"

May 26, 2005, 02:22 AM // 02:22	#2
Ginko Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: The Illuminati	I think Monks are well balanced however it couldn't hurt to make them a wee bit easier to kill. --Ginko

May 26, 2005, 02:29 AM // 02:29	#3
tidal Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Mar 2005	i think the monk is not overpowered in any way. Most of the enchantments only work on other team members who must perform an action (live vicariously for instanve). I've died many a time as a monk but one of the advantages is that parties always want you

May 26, 2005, 02:32 AM // 02:32	#5
pHobac Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Guild: Ostentanious Cows [OC] Profession: N/Mo	Early in the game, enemies are weak enough that a monk can keep their entire party at full health all the time, but by the last couple of missions, 2 primary healing monks in a party of 8 can have one hell of a time keeping your party alive. So I dont really think they need to be nerfed at all.

May 26, 2005, 06:58 AM // 06:58	#6
Gbuslayer Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005	yea overpowered in the beginning, but the bonuses to thier healing skills from thier allocated points are low so over time thier healing spells don't level up as much with them

May 26, 2005, 10:59 AM // 10:59	#8
Leventh Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: michigan Guild: Unforgiven Clan [UF] Profession: R/Me	if anything monks are underpowered. they have hardly any good self heals, and cant do jack 1v1.

May 26, 2005, 11:08 AM // 11:08	#9
Friar Tuck Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: VA Guild: Dragon's Lair Knights Profession: W/Mo	The most balanced online RPG I've ever played and someone's crying about an overpowered class? Please. Have you played other games? Go try out DAoC, create a fire wizard and try to take down a Vampiir one on one. Please don't cry about nerf with this game. It's very well done. I don't see how ANYONE can cry like this.

May 26, 2005, 11:35 AM // 11:35	#10
Tormunda Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005	Q: Are they truely overpowered? A: Who on earth said they were in the first place?

May 26, 2005, 05:18 PM // 17:18	#12
Funkinmofo Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Profession: Rt/	no, no they are not. There are a lot of things in place to keep them balanced compared to other professions. Whats the highest defense on the best armor... Most of the best/beneficial skills cannot be used on self Mobs key on healers Expensive materials required to craft armor

May 26, 2005, 08:12 PM // 20:12	#14
CtrlAltDel Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ohio Guild: Brotherhood of Havoc Profession: Mo/Me	not after they fixed the bath. stacking issue today...

May 26, 2005, 08:21 PM // 20:21	#15
Aug Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Location: Maryland Profession: Mo/	Yeah, Balth's Aura was really what made everyone want to be a Monk secondary, I think. Now that it's finally fixed, I suspect most people will be switching their secondaries in non-random PvP. I'm sure there will still be lots of */Mos in random PvP, cuz you never can be assured the presence of a primary Monk. As for Monk primaries... they need to be pretty survivable because they're the first target. If they couldn't last long, no one would play them, because a) they'd never live long enough to do anything, and b) they'd not be very fun, as dying in the first 5-15 seconds of an engagement is pretty demoralizing.

May 26, 2005, 08:36 PM // 20:36	#16
Fye Duron Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chico, CA, USA Guild: Dragon Fang	Personally I think that all of the classes are very well balanced. Monks are just in short supply right now... It will balance out in time

May 26, 2005, 08:50 PM // 20:50	#17
Norman Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005	ya, im geting the feeling that when the poster says over powered, hes not really saying the class itself is too strong, but because of the fact their needed so badly one could say in a sence they are over powered. IMO, a monk is under powered in terms of how they compare to the rest of the classes. but theres a reason for that, their healers, so at any rate, their not underpowered because their in a class all their own. people just need to realize that this game is about working as a team, so they made monks a must have in pve/pvp and theres nothing wrong with that. if anything, i like it, i havnt seen a game so well balanced before.

May 26, 2005, 09:37 PM // 21:37	#19
Willow Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005	Remember- if you feel you're relying on monks in your party too much, why aren't you using your own professions self heals? They all have them.

May 26, 2005, 09:45 PM // 21:45	#20
Vermilion Okeanos Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2005	Monk is far from overpower... but I really hate how they are overly important, made getting a group a hell's work many times.